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Ok Tiff now that time to EXPLAIN the Birds and the Bees and Dragon Reproduction, And that His Sister is Alive and Scaly to the Guy who Hates Dragons That he is a Dragon… OH and your not realty a Lying Scum Bag… And Hope He dose not decide Rip out your Spine… Because one its clear he can and two I would… Or are you going to Argue Adrenal Response??
@jonathan. At the time, it was a THEORY, albeit a very good one as more and more proof is surfacing to corroborate it. Typh never said that Denver’s sister was dead, nor did she say that monster in the woods which ATTACKED THEM was dead. She also did not mention KILLING the “monster.” FADEN did all that (on his own, without proof or actually witnessing the battle). Typh merely stated that the “monster” was “gone” with the promise that it would not bother them again. Denver’s sister is most likely Full-Dragon by now.
So johnathan. Care to explain to everyone how YOU would breach a subject that delicate to someone? Especially considering that person has shown super-human strength (without meaning to) on several occasions?
“When the scary situation made you black out, a dragon appeared, attacked and killed the Mingalow. It disappeared again just now when you came to your senses.”
Since we have by now corroborated that Tiff has masterfully not-literally-lied about the whole sister/dragon affair so far, that would be about par for the course.
If we are not squeamish about telling the untruth, something like “It derided The Bard. Remind me to never do that while you are around.” would also do.
@Uhl all good points… If It was me I would still call tiff a Lying Scum bag.. Your cutting the truth as close as Bill Clinton did with calling a BJ not Sex. She Led Denver Down a road of deceit away from the truth, Her intent was to deceive She did. That IS LYING.. His sisters alive Tiff Knows and kept it to her self…
She Known for over a Year and for Over a Year KNOWN Denver’s Time was Limited … IF it was me I call her a liar. How would I handle it ? Well I would of told him. I would of given him a Chance. Denver is a Scholar. And with a year to think about it he could of made a informed choice. He might of gotten ready for it. Might of spoken to his sister and Decided if he wanted to even try and stop it. Tiff had a Year and she could of gotten him ready… Simple answer, I would started with you sisters transformed by magic into a beast.. I will Explain more later when you can deal. Then Here read this.. “She was a Changeling. A Dragon.. And So are you. I am sorry.” Its called the truth.
Actually, Neils’ “Hi.” works on multiple levels. It can be “Nice to see you back.” or it can be “I think I have not been properly introduced to you yet.”
Friends real friends do that. No if I was Denver I would feel I was lied to. And If Tiff was Denver she feel the same. She be a Liar by her own measure. Denver called her out as lying when he found out she used to be a man…And I would said that was her business. But this oh this IS Denver’s Business and is far worse than what the princess tried with setting tiff up as a step mom of tiff keeping her history hers.. This was CLEARLY Denver’s life and family. It was wrong and just a touch evil. She had Good intentions but they always lead to Hell. As Faden knew its why he pushed the idea and kept his mouth shut.. One of his better traps.
True, but there is the possibility that if Tiff did tell Denver one of two choices would’ve happened.
1. Denver accepts the fact that he and his sister are dragons and he could’ve done all of the said stuff he could do while human while he still has time. But always wondering and adding more stress to the situation which could be a breaking point and causing the transformation earlier than expected.
Or situation number 2. Go into denial and push it to the back of his mind to the point that he still has a massive clusterfuck of a mental breakdown, if not worse, when he does start to transform.
Either way f!!!!d up is f!!!!d up. I imagine it that discovering that one day you’ll transform into a gigantic fire breathing flying carnivores apex killing machine reptile. Is much akin to discovering that you have a tumor in your brain and its terminal.
I’m not trying to justifying Tiff lying. But still again its like trying to tell your best friend you have the signs of a terminal brain cancer.
@Korkman: “Is much akin to discovering that you have a tumor in your brain and its terminal.” Well, transforming into a gigantic fire breathing flying carnivorous apex killing machine reptile might also be terminal, but it’s rather terminal to others.
@Korkman I agree.
But it was going to come out anyway. And I am saying I think Denver will consider it a lie and a Betrayal of trust. The Fact that Faden Went along with it will make it worse. I mean Faden IS smart and understood that when the truth came out would be far worse if Denver felt betrayed.
Should she tell Denver or should she HAVE told Denver the truth some time ago instead of holding it back?
Interesting question. If I was in Typh’s shoes, I’d be thinking that these dragons have been doing this for sometime without anyone explaining things to their “younglings” before and the “younglings” just gradually connecting more and more with the “collective” until their self identity is consumed.
I’d then be thinking that if the dragon “collective” worked out that I was telling one of their “younglings” what was happening to them instead of letting it take them over without their ever working it out before it was really to late, that the “collective” might take offense to my interference and do something about it.
Denver has hated dragons so passionately all his life that he was willing to run out, despite the danger, and attempt to kill one himself. If he’s so passionate he would throw his life away like that just to kill one, there’s no telling what he might do if he knew the truth and found he was turning into one. Kill himself? Try to stop the transformation? Both results likely something the “collective” would not appreciate.
All good points above, and Johnathon is right. A lie of omission is still a lie. I can’t say what might have been going on in Tiff’s mind, only the writer can do that. A couple of things to consider though. Given his hatred of Dragons, it’s possible Denver might have decided to hunt his sister down and Tiff thought to spare him that. I think it’s even possible that Denver might have killed himself, and Tiff had just decided she couldn’t do that. He would certainly have gotten very depressed and, as I recall, she needed him right then. That doesn’t change the fact she could have told him later though.
Here’s something else to consider: remember the edge of the world is the place “Dragons go to to die” what if it’s figuratively and not literal? Meaning Denver’s drahgon self dies but he’s ok.
@Daeleus Wow that’s a Really Good Catch! Still I hope Denver Has time to really decide..
And as for lie or not what really comes Down to with Denver is will he be p#ssed? And Feel Lied to? And Will Tiff feel she was Lieing and Dishonorable. One of Typhan-Knee biggest fears becoming a woman was that he as a she would be a Liar and Dishonorable.. I wonder it Tiff Grown enough to not blame her adopted Gender.
Being a scholar and a dragon can have some advantages. Threats of eating naughty pupils being one of them. I think he may enjoy being a dragon, provided he can come to terms with it. Doesn’t hurt to learn how to control the change too.
Um. Somewhere along the line, I missed this bit about Denver. Darn real life crowding out important things like this. 🙁 Could someone point me to the archive section so I can refresh my memory?
Uh, it is sort of a running gag? He introduced himself as Tadaeus, and Faden called him “Tadpole” as an at first private joke. Denver went looking for his sister (he has a medaillon with both their contenances), and Tiffany encountered a berzerk half-dragon wearing the counterpiece to his medaillon. Tried to behead Denver, couldn’t go through with it. Made a whole pitch about Denver’s purported family history and asked Faden how long Denver had in his human frame.
There was a whole “filler” story line depicting his sister’s voyage to the East(?) where she got increasingly consumed by the dragon mind and dealt with aggressors in quite terminal manner.
There was one occurence later when Thomas/Theresa was apprehended and silenced by confessors of the church and Denver intervened. One of the priests conjured a bout of magic fire to threaten Denver, and he snuffed the fire with his hand. The reactions of the priests (before they were overpowered by other forces) made clear that this was not a feat a human could do.
@Daeleus
That is quite a theory and one I would never have thought of. Well done. I don’t think it would be that simple but there just might be something that can help our Tadpole.
Denver hates Dragons bc His fabulously Rich parents wear Killed there home buned to the Ground and 2 babys found in the ashes unharmed!…..
So Basically Dragons are Cuckoo birds. They Switch out there babies for rich kids. No Idea what Happens to the Originals Looks like there killed but there are no bodies So the human Babies and Parents for that matter might be alive, Dragon food or Polymorphed Gold fish in the pond out back of Denver’s House.. Might be neat to find out.
Oh it was also revealed that not only is that why you never see a Dragon Baby but you never see baby squirrels BC there all Clones of a magic All Father squirrels!!! And chipmunks Spy on them…
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what just happened? You just beat the crap out of the minga-thing!
I like Niels. “Hi” is the only thing he says after our favorite scholar regains his sanity.
Ok Tiff now that time to EXPLAIN the Birds and the Bees and Dragon Reproduction, And that His Sister is Alive and Scaly to the Guy who Hates Dragons That he is a Dragon… OH and your not realty a Lying Scum Bag… And Hope He dose not decide Rip out your Spine… Because one its clear he can and two I would… Or are you going to Argue Adrenal Response??
Dullahan: what else would he say? “Please don’t kill us!” or “Somebody has been working out.”? How about “Something you want to tell us?”
@jonathan. At the time, it was a THEORY, albeit a very good one as more and more proof is surfacing to corroborate it. Typh never said that Denver’s sister was dead, nor did she say that monster in the woods which ATTACKED THEM was dead. She also did not mention KILLING the “monster.” FADEN did all that (on his own, without proof or actually witnessing the battle). Typh merely stated that the “monster” was “gone” with the promise that it would not bother them again. Denver’s sister is most likely Full-Dragon by now.
So johnathan. Care to explain to everyone how YOU would breach a subject that delicate to someone? Especially considering that person has shown super-human strength (without meaning to) on several occasions?
“When the scary situation made you black out, a dragon appeared, attacked and killed the Mingalow. It disappeared again just now when you came to your senses.”
Since we have by now corroborated that Tiff has masterfully not-literally-lied about the whole sister/dragon affair so far, that would be about par for the course.
If we are not squeamish about telling the untruth, something like “It derided The Bard. Remind me to never do that while you are around.” would also do.
@Uhl all good points… If It was me I would still call tiff a Lying Scum bag.. Your cutting the truth as close as Bill Clinton did with calling a BJ not Sex. She Led Denver Down a road of deceit away from the truth, Her intent was to deceive She did. That IS LYING.. His sisters alive Tiff Knows and kept it to her self…
She Known for over a Year and for Over a Year KNOWN Denver’s Time was Limited … IF it was me I call her a liar. How would I handle it ? Well I would of told him. I would of given him a Chance. Denver is a Scholar. And with a year to think about it he could of made a informed choice. He might of gotten ready for it. Might of spoken to his sister and Decided if he wanted to even try and stop it. Tiff had a Year and she could of gotten him ready… Simple answer, I would started with you sisters transformed by magic into a beast.. I will Explain more later when you can deal. Then Here read this.. “She was a Changeling. A Dragon.. And So are you. I am sorry.” Its called the truth.
Actually, Neils’ “Hi.” works on multiple levels. It can be “Nice to see you back.” or it can be “I think I have not been properly introduced to you yet.”
Friends real friends do that. No if I was Denver I would feel I was lied to. And If Tiff was Denver she feel the same. She be a Liar by her own measure. Denver called her out as lying when he found out she used to be a man…And I would said that was her business. But this oh this IS Denver’s Business and is far worse than what the princess tried with setting tiff up as a step mom of tiff keeping her history hers.. This was CLEARLY Denver’s life and family. It was wrong and just a touch evil. She had Good intentions but they always lead to Hell. As Faden knew its why he pushed the idea and kept his mouth shut.. One of his better traps.
Hi 😛 gotta love it.
Well it looks like he is back to being Bruce Banner. Just don’t make him angry. You wouldn’t like him when he’s angry.
Identity Crisis in 5…4…3…
@ Jonathan.
True, but there is the possibility that if Tiff did tell Denver one of two choices would’ve happened.
1. Denver accepts the fact that he and his sister are dragons and he could’ve done all of the said stuff he could do while human while he still has time. But always wondering and adding more stress to the situation which could be a breaking point and causing the transformation earlier than expected.
Or situation number 2. Go into denial and push it to the back of his mind to the point that he still has a massive clusterfuck of a mental breakdown, if not worse, when he does start to transform.
Either way f!!!!d up is f!!!!d up. I imagine it that discovering that one day you’ll transform into a gigantic fire breathing flying carnivores apex killing machine reptile. Is much akin to discovering that you have a tumor in your brain and its terminal.
I’m not trying to justifying Tiff lying. But still again its like trying to tell your best friend you have the signs of a terminal brain cancer.
@Korkman: “Is much akin to discovering that you have a tumor in your brain and its terminal.” Well, transforming into a gigantic fire breathing flying carnivorous apex killing machine reptile might also be terminal, but it’s rather terminal to others.
@Korkman I agree.
But it was going to come out anyway. And I am saying I think Denver will consider it a lie and a Betrayal of trust. The Fact that Faden Went along with it will make it worse. I mean Faden IS smart and understood that when the truth came out would be far worse if Denver felt betrayed.
Should she tell Denver or should she HAVE told Denver the truth some time ago instead of holding it back?
Interesting question. If I was in Typh’s shoes, I’d be thinking that these dragons have been doing this for sometime without anyone explaining things to their “younglings” before and the “younglings” just gradually connecting more and more with the “collective” until their self identity is consumed.
I’d then be thinking that if the dragon “collective” worked out that I was telling one of their “younglings” what was happening to them instead of letting it take them over without their ever working it out before it was really to late, that the “collective” might take offense to my interference and do something about it.
Denver has hated dragons so passionately all his life that he was willing to run out, despite the danger, and attempt to kill one himself. If he’s so passionate he would throw his life away like that just to kill one, there’s no telling what he might do if he knew the truth and found he was turning into one. Kill himself? Try to stop the transformation? Both results likely something the “collective” would not appreciate.
YEP! Now comes confusion.
And He won’t believe any thing they say he had just done.
All good points above, and Johnathon is right. A lie of omission is still a lie. I can’t say what might have been going on in Tiff’s mind, only the writer can do that. A couple of things to consider though. Given his hatred of Dragons, it’s possible Denver might have decided to hunt his sister down and Tiff thought to spare him that. I think it’s even possible that Denver might have killed himself, and Tiff had just decided she couldn’t do that. He would certainly have gotten very depressed and, as I recall, she needed him right then. That doesn’t change the fact she could have told him later though.
Here’s something else to consider: remember the edge of the world is the place “Dragons go to to die” what if it’s figuratively and not literal? Meaning Denver’s drahgon self dies but he’s ok.
I was wondering the same thing!
You hulked out, nothing major. Thanks for not killing us too.
@Daeleus Wow that’s a Really Good Catch! Still I hope Denver Has time to really decide..
And as for lie or not what really comes Down to with Denver is will he be p#ssed? And Feel Lied to? And Will Tiff feel she was Lieing and Dishonorable. One of Typhan-Knee biggest fears becoming a woman was that he as a she would be a Liar and Dishonorable.. I wonder it Tiff Grown enough to not blame her adopted Gender.
Being a scholar and a dragon can have some advantages. Threats of eating naughty pupils being one of them. I think he may enjoy being a dragon, provided he can come to terms with it. Doesn’t hurt to learn how to control the change too.
Much like a Skinwalker, he becomes a… Scalewalker? I guess that might also explain why the scales on his face disappeared.
Won’t he feel left out because humans don’t scale?
Um. Somewhere along the line, I missed this bit about Denver. Darn real life crowding out important things like this. 🙁 Could someone point me to the archive section so I can refresh my memory?
Uh, it is sort of a running gag? He introduced himself as Tadaeus, and Faden called him “Tadpole” as an at first private joke. Denver went looking for his sister (he has a medaillon with both their contenances), and Tiffany encountered a berzerk half-dragon wearing the counterpiece to his medaillon. Tried to behead Denver, couldn’t go through with it. Made a whole pitch about Denver’s purported family history and asked Faden how long Denver had in his human frame.
There was a whole “filler” story line depicting his sister’s voyage to the East(?) where she got increasingly consumed by the dragon mind and dealt with aggressors in quite terminal manner.
There was one occurence later when Thomas/Theresa was apprehended and silenced by confessors of the church and Denver intervened. One of the priests conjured a bout of magic fire to threaten Denver, and he snuffed the fire with his hand. The reactions of the priests (before they were overpowered by other forces) made clear that this was not a feat a human could do.
And so forth and so on.
@Daeleus
That is quite a theory and one I would never have thought of. Well done. I don’t think it would be that simple but there just might be something that can help our Tadpole.
Denver hates Dragons bc His fabulously Rich parents wear Killed there home buned to the Ground and 2 babys found in the ashes unharmed!…..
So Basically Dragons are Cuckoo birds. They Switch out there babies for rich kids. No Idea what Happens to the Originals Looks like there killed but there are no bodies So the human Babies and Parents for that matter might be alive, Dragon food or Polymorphed Gold fish in the pond out back of Denver’s House.. Might be neat to find out.
Oh it was also revealed that not only is that why you never see a Dragon Baby but you never see baby squirrels BC there all Clones of a magic All Father squirrels!!! And chipmunks Spy on them…
So not joking…
“What Happen?”
“Somebody setup him the punch!”
@charles81
What you say?
“So you’re super strong now? Ok.”
GEE, STOP BEING SO DRAMATIC